Agility Equipment: NADAC vs the Universe
SUMMARY: If you go to a NADAC agility trial to practice agility, what are you really practicing? (updated Nov 19, 9 a.m.)
| NADAC | Everyone else1 | |
|---|---|---|
| Hoops | yes | no |
| Table | no | yes2 |
| Spread jumps (doubles, triples) | no | yes |
| Chute | no | yes |
| Broad jump | no | yes |
| Teeter | no | yes |
| A-frame | Low, no slats, padded | High, slats4, unpadded |
| Dogwalk | No slats | Slats4 |
| Tire | Special 2-part displaceable doohickey | Tire |
| Single jumps | Yes; do they still allow wings? | Winged or nonwinged |
| Weaves | Yes, unstaked5 | Yes, staked5 |
| Tunnel | yes | yes |
1USDAA, CPE, ASCA, FCI, AAC, AKC, CKC, TDAA3, probably others but I didn't check. Individual specs may vary, such as the length of the chute (collapsed tunnel) or of the contact zone.
2Table used sparingly in many org's.
3No triple or broad jump in teacup (TDAA) agility
4Slats are optional in several org's.
5 Just recently heard from someone else that a NADAC judge said that weaves are supposed to be UNstaked because the dog is supposed to be "weaving", not "pushing through the poles". I don't know whether this is a NADAC thing or just that one NADAC judge. Staking isn't actually called out in most rules one way or another. Usually says "rigid" poles; usually, rigidity is achieved by staking. Complete list of labels
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No broad jump in NADAC. Interesting to see the side by side comparisons.
Heather and All
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And now rumor has it that NADAC is phasing out all jumps in favor of hoops. So, can you still call it dog agility?
Thanks for broad jump info; since NADAC's pages seem never to be up to date (REALLY?!?!? NADAC?!?!?), I can't rely on them for correct info and, as usual for NADAC rules, have to rely on word of mouth.
Jumps vs hoops: I'd scoff at the concept that they'd actually do that, except--well--this is NADAC. We've been joking about it for years; see our April Fools newsletter from 2006 (before they actually did away with the teeter).
You guys are joking right? On the one hand it seems preposterous but on the other hand we are talking NADAC here. Just when I was thinking I was going to be doing more NADAC.
The contacts aren't necessarily 'padded' (do you mean the rubberized surface?) unless they've changed the rules since a couple of weeks ago. The contacts can be regular paint/sand. I will say this for NADAC though, that rubber surface is really nice if you're lucky enough to find a club using it.
Rubberized, OK, yes. When I was browsing some of the other org's equipment specs, I saw a note about optional padding/rubberizing somewhere else, don't remember where.
My impression was that you weren't allowed to use the old (unpadded) style contacts, but, like everything else about NADAC rules, it's a bit of a mystery to me.
-ellen
I think I've got to the bottom of the hoop rumor thing. I went over to the NADAC discussion group (and lived to tell the tale) and though I didn't have time to go through the 9 million posts I did click on a few from Sharon herself and according to her the hoops will be added to Regular, Chances, Touch & Go and Weavers. There will not be hoops in Jumpers. Regular, Chances and Jumpers will always have jumps. Touch & Go and Weavers will still have tunnels. Phew, does your head hurt yet?
OK, here's my next question; maybe you saw something while you were browsing. How does one fault a hoop?
-ellen
I'm afraid I don't know anything about Hoopers and the discussion I found over there had to do with adding Hoopers to the Versatility Natch. All I could glean was that the class had gone through 3 'phases' and was now entering a final phase and that people seemed to have mixed feelings about the class. I didn't click on a whole lot of posts, all I wanted to know was if the jumps were really going away.
I've never seen Hoopers being run and I'm not even 100% on what a hoop obstacle looks like. I suppose you could 'fault' it by running past it then going back to take it and you'd be over time. Or an off course if you never went back to take it. Maybe knocking it over is a fault? I dunno. I can't see myself ever entering that class so I never thought about it but it's and interesting question.
No faults on hoops, but you would lose time for a run by. (However, you can't fault a tunnel either.)
Weaves are supposed to be unstaked if they are a "heavy" set. But she indicated that everything she had seen out here was "light".
Oh, and I forgot ... you can add Gates to the NADAC equipment list. (From Gaters, their new class.)
I googled displaceable tires and found this page. I can add a few corrections.
Light weight weave poles may be staked. In SoCal even the heavy poles are staked in the front and back.
DOCNA allows the rubber matted and/or no-slat A-Frames. Most SoCal NADAC trials use the rubber matting as well as Elk Grove trials, and the many Fun-Raisers held in California and elsewhere.
I think everyone will agree, NADAC is quite different from AKC, USDAA, CPE, etc. The premium is on speed and flow. Distance handling is usually required.
Ron! Good to hear from you! Thanks for the updates.
-ellen
Since NADAC is less expensive that AKC, and you get a bazillion runs of idiocy per day, it's pretty handy for practicing your start line stay. I call my run if my dog breaks his start line. In NADAC, I get several more tries for my dog to be successful at the line.
But I hate the dumbed down equipment selection. Hey, how about training dogs on correct execution as opposed to making everyone run with training wheels?
We don't have rubberized contacts, which I do like, up where I live. In the rain, NADAC contact obstacles are very slippery and unsafe. So perhaps we need to simply not offer those at our local trials, or may-be NADAC will simply pull contacts from their equipment selection as well. After hoopers, nothing would surprise me.
We wondered what the rubberized contacts were like in the rain. It might depend on the specific material used. I'll mention that to our equipment folks who are going to evaluate the rubberization. Do you happen to know what kind of material was used on specific contacts that you know aare slippery when wet?
I hear gate class starts next year (2010) If you don't have a BC or sheltie, you can forget nadac, it's impossible for an average dog to make their Elite times. Thanks Sharon Nelson.
Even back when I was doing it, it was tough to make Elite times. With a fast dog, some of the courses were a blast to run. With a slow dog, forget it. (And I had a little of each.)
I saw a lab go completely clean at a pretty good clip on an Elite weavers couse about a month ago, no double entries into weaves, not a bobble, and he was 3 seconds over time. It was at that time, my friend said forget NADAC. Who needs the frustration.
Nadac is run by one person so she can change the rules every year if she wants, which she does. More changes next year with gates and 5 second Q's and who knows what else. Ridiculous.
Yes-Sharon Nelson is Ruining nadac and she's stubborn and will not listen to anyone else-her little yahoo group is a joke, if you disagree with her, she doesn't post your comment. Just WOW.
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